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Vai Uzvaras Piemineklis ir svets?
 
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Posted: 08 August 2012 08:15 PM   [ Ignore ]  
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The Uzvaras Monument was dedicated in 1985. The mayor of Riga - Usakovs claims that this monument to the soviet victory over Nazi Germany is somehow sacred. Has this monument truly become a monument that cannot be removed if other viable uses for the space exist exist?

The history of the park dates back to the early 1900 and was intended to commemorate Peter the Great’s occupation of Latvia. Thus, the park has an auspicious beginning in the first instance. According to Wikipedia.lv , “Astoņdesmito gadu sākumā parkā tika nolemts izveidot padomju varu slavinošu monumentālu ansambli, ņemot vērā šādu objektu trūkumu Rīgā un valdošās pieminekļu būvēšanas tendences Padomju Savienībā. 1985. gadā tika atklāts piemineklis “Padomju Latvijas un Rīgas atbrīvotājiem no vācu fašistiskajiem iebrucējiem” un parks atkal tika pārsaukts par Uzvaras parku.”

Although the monument may have a historic basis, is it something that must continue to stand as a symbol of Soviet occupation of Latvia after the Germans were defeated. Does Riga or Latvia need such a monument.

This question is reminiscent of the Peter the Great statue that had been saved after sinking to the bottom of the Baltic Sea. Is there a reason that Peter the Great should be sitting in some prominent location?

Why is Usakovs so attached to this symbol of oppression of the Latvian people? Is this truly a necessary symbol for the Russian population of Latvia today and if so, why? Most of us realize that the majority of Latvians placed a great deal of hope in achieving some sense autonomy if Germany had been victorious based upon the Soviet atrocities of 1940. This by no means excuses the German atrocities, but were Stalin’s atrocities any different? How many millions died under this regime?

Perhaps the Uzvaras piemineklis should be replaced by a monument to those that were killed and deported under Stalin rather than a symbol of Stalin’s victory and his continued oppression.

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Posted: 08 August 2012 08:44 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]  
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See this thread for an earlier discussion of the original pre soviet memorial design.

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Posted: 08 August 2012 09:07 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]  
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I don’t recall Ushakov saying that the Victory Monument is holy. I’d be interested in seeing a source. I may have missed that.

On a related note, apparently, the November 11 Embankment is now considered a holy place. At least, that was one of the arguments used against the New Wave disco on the embankment.

This question is reminiscent of the Peter the Great statue that had been saved after sinking to the bottom of the Baltic Sea. Is there a reason that Peter the Great should be sitting in some prominent location?

Also, a correction. The statue did sink. Gombergs, a Latvian businessman, has restored the statue that now sits outside his offices in Teika. Gombergs also restored a Lacplesis sculpture on the wall of the Saeima. If my memory serves, the nationalist parties very reluctantly agreed to the gift. And he also restored a monument to Barclay de Tolly, which stands by the Hotel Latvia. Riga also has planned to restore a czar Alexander I Victory column, a move which was condemned by the Daugavas Vanagi.

Is this truly a necessary symbol for the Russian population of Latvia today and if so, why?

If I had an inkling, I’d study how in the last 20 years, the monument has become the symbol for ethnic Russians. It wasn’t such when it was first opened, but when the Latvian authorities downplayed the Soviet involvement in the war, plus, when it appears that many legislative initiatives are done against the Russian minority, the monument has become a symbol for some among the Russian community, to show that they live here also. And if the monument is demolished, things between the Russians and the Latvians are going to get much, much worse then before the language referendum. People on Ushakov’s facebook page are warning of Estonia’s scenario. And I think that scenario is very likely should the monument be removed.

[ Edited: 08 August 2012 09:48 PM by Aleksejs]
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Posted: 09 August 2012 03:02 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]  
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As if the russky monument wasn’t big enough, they now want a bigger one still ...

http://english.ruvr.ru/2012_08_06/Residents-of-a-Latvian-city-request-giving-it-City-of-Military-Glory-title/.

Town after town?
Until it becomes the whole country?

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Posted: 09 August 2012 07:00 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]  
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Aleksejs - 08 August 2012 09:07 PM

I don’t recall Ushakov saying that the Victory Monument is holy. I’d be interested in seeing a source.

Heh heh.

The lying Okupants, who has refused for years to substantiate his sources for claiming a link between Rubiks and the Latvian Legion, is getting all sanctimonious and demanding others produce their sources?!

pot… kettle… black.

Hilarious hypocracy!

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Posted: 09 August 2012 10:02 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]  
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He may have said it, Bobby Little Boat, the defender of anti-semites.

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