Vidas, never read and don’t know “Rein Mullerson.” 
Also in response, you can claim to know the Lithuanian Robert Vitas but I’m not sure he wants to claim you.  Your points have long been offered and rejected as weak or meaningless or downright invalid.  There are many times previously this subject also has been much discussed on LOL with excellent links you obviously don’t want to pursue to correct your “inexplicable” propsensity to spread misinformation.  Try taking this nonsense to other Lithuanians and see how far you get.  Maybe that’s why you’re on a “Latvian” forum.  Too many Latvians are unfortunately overly nice and indulgent.  If indeed you have read typical and excellent Lithuanian arguments and explanations found in your world of Lithuanians (if you ever are really in it) such as those by Robert Vitas, then you are not just sleeping through your reading but a real “sleeper.”  You want to play in the realm of established international law and legal precedents with your simplistic lay or “sleeper” arguments.  It’s clear you never read THE ANNEXATION OF THE BALTIC STATES AND ITS EFFECT ON THE DEVELOPMENT OF LAW PROHIBITING FORCIBLE SEIZURE OF TERRITORY and care about the legal arguments that should serve to prevent “forcible seizure of territory” of a country and people you may prefer to Balts.  Soon I will stop giving you and others who post on this forum stuff that could come straight from some Moscow source the benefit of the doubt about your true intentions.

vecrumba et alo.,
“But let’s not pretend Ulmanis softened the Latvians for Soviet subjugation”

Only problem with the above,  Russians would have invaded and occupied Latvia in any case, wether Ulmanis had ” softened”  latvians up or not.

Visu labu,

Pehteris C, Why attack old meat when new meat is in front of your face [...] Who’s your “neighbor,” Pehteris C.?

This is Latvians Online. Not Russians Online, Russophobes Online, or Syria Today. Unlike you, I don’t bring up Russia and/or Russians with every breath. I find your accusation of beating dead horses hilarious—you obviously take hysterical delight in beating dead horses. As long as they’re the dead horses you’re obsessed with.

As far as supposedly obscure historians go, see this. Those listed happen to be among the most prominent historians in Latvia.

Kārlis Ulmanis, mūsu Saulvedis, is old meat? Why, Ambi, you’ve reminded me of this exchange between Odisejs Kostanda and Aivars Ozoliņš in Rīgas Laiks, with regard to the plans for the statue:

O. Kostanda: Man Ozoliņa stils atgādina cilvēku, kuram dārza vietā ir nātres un kas kritizē kaimiņu, kurš iestādījis kartupeļus, un stāsta – tev nevajadzēja stādīt kartupeļus, bet gurķus, bet vēl labāk – nestādi neko, bet parunāsim par to, ko vajadzētu stādīt.

A. Ozoliņš: Ulmanis nav nekāds gurķis… Un tas, ko jūs gribat stādīt, nav nekāds kartupelis, bet viens riktīgs politisks monstrs. Stādiet tur kartupeļus!

Ulmanis and his ghost still matter a lot in Latvia. I am sorry if you hope to discuss only invasions, deportations, fifth columnists, the Soviet-deformed, etc.

You’ll find an excerpt of the quoted discussion in a book you can download here. Among other things (and many rare illustrations), it contains a thorough analysis of the copious material in the Latvian press featuring the Vadonis, Evita Naglinska’s “Mīts par Kārli Ulmani latviešu presē (1989–2004)”.

Vita Zelče in “Bēgšana no brīvības,” a paper on the rituals of the Ulmanis period that’s also in the book, in a remark that counters Pēters Vecrumba’s assertion:

Jāpiekrīt vēsturnieka A. Strangas atziņai, ka “Ulmaņa režīms lielā mērā atviegloja Latvijas sovetizāciju 1940. gadā” un ka “vadonības politika atviegloja pāreju uz totalitārismu un Staļina kultu”.

Why Ulmanis and the Ulmanis myths matter should be clear from what I wrote. Two years ago, for instance, Jaunākie Latvijas faktu (LF) aptaujas dati liecin[āja], ka 20,9% iedzīvotāju uzskata, ka Valsts prezidentam Valdim Zatleram pēc 31.marta būtu jāpārņem vara valstī, ierobežojot Satversmi (kā to izdarīja Kārlis Ulmanis 1934.gada 15.maijā). Ilga Kreituse: “Tā ir latviešu mentalitāte, kas parāda, kā mēs savu vēsturisko mantojumu uzturam dzīvu vēl šodien un nebūt tās labāko pusi. Ap Ulmaņa laikiem joprojām ir oreols, kas pāriet no paaudzes paaudzē. Tas parāda, ka cilvēki gaida mesiju.” Kārlis Streips: “Ja brīvprātīgi 21% uzskata, ka jāatgriežas pie diktatūras, tad man ir bažas par šīs valsts nākotni. Tomēr mani šāds viedoklis nepārsteidz, jo Latvijā vienmēr notikusi Kārļa Ulmaņa idealizācija, un cilvēki skatās uz to laikmetu kā absolūtu zelta laikmentu, aizmirstot, ka ekonomiskā augšupeja Ulmaņlaikos notika visā pasaulē, Ulmanis ar savu rīcību palīdzēja nodrošināt to, kas Latvijā notika 1940.- 1941.gadā.” [1]

In November, a new play by Raimonds Staprāns, the San Francisco painter and dramatist, opened at the Daile Theater. This excerpt from an interview casts an interesting light on your idol Bīlmanis:

Atceroties vakardienas mierīgo, likuma kārtībā notikušo Saeimas atlaišanu, nāk prātā cilvēks, kuŗš  arī to izdarīja 1934. gada 15. maijā, - tikai daudz brutālāk, arestējot labu tiesu deputātu, kuŗus pēc tam ieslodzīja koncentrācijas lēģerī. Pēc toreizējās Latvijas visas tautas nobalsotās Satversmes, ko Latvija ievēro arī šodien, viņam pienāktos no 15 līdz 18 gadiem spaidu darbos. Satversme šim vīram bija liels traucēklis – viņš konstitūciju aizstāja ar to, ko pats sauca par “Vadoņa gribu”. Kā to 1947. gadā Vašingtonā manā klātienē uzsvēra sūtnis A. Bīlmanis: “Latvija ar to brīdi vairs nebija tiesiski juridiska valsts un bija pagrābjama katram, kas vien to vēlētos.” Lai tas nenotiktu, pirms plānotā apvērsuma šis cilvēks izprasīja no Staļina piekrišanu, ko tālredzīgais tiranns arī ar prieku viņam apsolīja. Atkal sūtnis Bīlmanis: “Tas ir vienreizējs notikums vēsturē, kad kādas valsts vadība prasa citas, ne pārāk draudzīgas valsts akceptu izdarīt savas iekšpolītiskās pārmaiņas.” (Sīkāk to esmu aprakstījis savos topošajos memuāros.)

Šī akcepta rezultātā, dažus gadus vēlāk okupējot Latviju, Staļinam vairs nebija jāpiņķerējas ar visādām saeimām vai pašvaldībām. Par to tiranns visžēlīgi atstāja pučistu uz laiciņu prezidenta krēslā, kuŗā tas pats, nevienam padoma neprasījis, bija iesēdies.

So much for continuity, eh? Italics mine.

I neglected to respond to Bruno’s question (because it suggests that he didn’t bother to read Ezergailis on Valters), but I would like a source for the contention that Poland demanded Valters’ recall. As far as I know, it was Munters who wanted him out. Valters strongly disagreed with Beck’s policies and thought Latvia’s absolute neutrality a death trap, however—as it indeed was. He was also incensed by Poland’s participation in the carving up of Czechoslovakia.

I’ll leave you for the night with a scintillating look at the official ideology of the Ulmanis regime.

/P

I post argument with provable citation established as law by the Republic of Lithuania - actions it took in codifying continuity.

Ambersun posts crazy nonsense.

Vidas, never read and don’t know “Rein Mullerson.”

I can tell.

Also in response, you can claim to know the Lithuanian Robert Vitas but I’m not sure he wants to claim you.

Claim me ? What am I ? Checked luggage on an airport carousel Princess ? LOL !!

Your points have long been offered and rejected as weak or meaningless or downright invalid.  There are many times previously this subject also has been much discussed on LOL with excellent links you obviously don’t want to pursue to correct your “inexplicable” propsensity to spread misinformation.

The opinion of one seemingly unstable woman is noted.

And discarded as lunacy.

Try taking this nonsense to other Lithuanians and see how far you get.

Got very far actually. Way past Michigan even !

And you ? Youre anonymous. You don’t even show courage of conviction here.

I don’t know what an Ambersun is - but I’m positive that you’re a Princess.

Maybe that’s why you’re on a “Latvian” forum.  Too many Latvians are unfortunately overly nice and indulgent.

Your company excluded of course. Princess is neither nice nor indulgent nor lucid.

If indeed you have read typical and excellent Lithuanian arguments and explanations found in your world of Lithuanians (if you ever are really in it) such as those by Robert Vitas, then you are not just sleeping through your reading but a real “sleeper.”

His first name is Robertas - or do you deny him his identity ?

My world isn’t yours. Thats for certain. What I have read is excellent Lithuanian legislation that exists in law that is responsive to the issue of continuity. As I explained in my sane post, unfortunately followed by your insane one, legal continuity was a problem for the Republic as it had to A) account for 50 years of change and B) respond to the fact that the Constitution did not offer any path toward restitution of the Republic in the absence of a legal operating government.

This isn’t new Princess. This isn’t anything I thought up. Your own lazy copy and paste links were created in response to the continuity issue. Wiki doesnt have a page dedicated to “continuity of the Baltic States” because the topic is settled and understood. That page exists because continuity was a real problem.

You want to play in the realm of established international law and legal precedents with your simplistic lay or “sleeper” arguments.

What does this even mean ? I want to “play in the realm” ? What ?? Lithuania passed these pieces of legislation almost 15 years ago !

It’s clear you never read THE ANNEXATION OF THE BALTIC STATES AND ITS EFFECT ON THE DEVELOPMENT OF LAW PROHIBITING FORCIBLE SEIZURE OF TERRITORY and care about the legal arguments that should serve to prevent “forcible seizure of territory” of a country and people you may prefer to Balts.

LOL !! I know Princess. Books “should serve to prevent” occupations. I couldn’t even try to make up something that goofy and pass it off like you do. You can’t be taken seriously when you post this crazy stuff.

Soon I will stop giving you and others who post on this forum stuff that could come straight from some Moscow source the benefit of the doubt about your true intentions.

Have a good sleep Ambersun. Inhale or ingest whatever it takes for you to see some brief moment of peace. You see Moscow in the trees and bushes. Yours clearly isn’t a healthy lifestyle.

ps…. More Ambersonian tragi-comedy.

It’s clear you never read THE ANNEXATION OF THE BALTIC STATES AND ITS EFFECT ON THE DEVELOPMENT OF LAW PROHIBITING FORCIBLE SEIZURE OF TERRITORY

This article was written in 1985 Princess. Apparently this book came a bit too late given the Baltics were occupied at the time it was written.

And did you suitably send Mr Hough some intense flame mail and accuse him of being Moscow sent given his describing the situation as an ANNEXATION ? I know the Baltics weren’t annexed Princess. They were occupied militarily. Did you miss that glaring problem ?

Please tell me you at least screeched at him to find enlightenment in the Divine Light of your Suomi Savior !

Peteris Cedriņs et al.,

“I neglected to respond to Bruno’s question (because it suggests that he didn’t bother to read Ezergailis on Valters), but I would like a source for the contention that Poland demanded Valters’ recall. “

  My source, I think,  among others< is ” Labie Gadi ”  by Alfreds Berziņs.  Interesting descreiption of what happened.  He was suppossed to be the right hand man of Ulmanis from 1934 on.; I am surprised that little is known of what he said. snd discussed on LOL

Ezergailis- I must confess , My opinion of him is luke warm.

Visu labu,

I’ve read Labie gadi, but don’t recall such a passage. Since every source I’ve come across (Ījabs, Ezergailis, Andersons) says that Munters was intent on forcing him out, some citing Labie gadi, it would be helpful if you’d produce a quote—my books are still in Daugavpils.

I’ve brought up Alfrēds Bērziņš, Ulmanis’ Goebbels, in this forum before, Bruno.

Speaking of Bērziņš, Nellija Ločmele writes of yet another reason why discussion of the authoritarian period remains relevant here.

Some might be interested in this fascinating account of the vicious games played by Latvia’s diplomats in wartime.

I do indeed admire Valters—more than I admire most any other Latvian statesman. You don’t?

1933. gadā Valters atkal redzams diplomātiskā darbā, šoreiz tikai kā ģenerālkonsuls Karaļaučos. Brīvībā (Nr. 2 (176). 1967. g. febr.) publicēta Vācijas ārlietu ministrijas 1933. g. 16. jūnija instrukcija Austrumprūsijas vadītājām iestādēm ar brīdinājumu, ka Valters nav Baltijas valstu parastā kalibra diplomāts, bet sadarbībā ar viņu jāievēro vislielākā uzmanība. Sarunās ar viņu iepriekš jāpārdomā katrs vārds, ko viņam saka. Tā ir jauna liecība, cik nopietni Rietumu valstsvīri vērtējuši Valtera spējas un cik zemu viņi vērtējuši caurmēra Baltijas diplomātus. Daudzās sarunās „mājas kārtībā” vadītāji Rietumvalstu diplomāti šo rindu autoram apliecinājuši, ka viņi augstu vērtējuši arī Dr. Alfredu Bīlmani kā plaša vēriena zināšanām bagātu enerģisku diplomātu.

(Edgars Andersons—below the article there’s a brief piece by Ezergailis that includes some of Valters’ last writing.)

Valters is included in the primary school teaching materials devoted to Latvia’s illustrious democrats (as are Knuts Skujenieks and Alfrēds Bīlmanis, by the way). Nearly four years ago, the Iron Trimdie provoked this post.

Your drive-bys are rather annoying, Bruno. If you have a beef with Valters, please explain. If you feel lukewarm toward Ezergailis, give a reason.

Visu gaišu,
/P

Peteris Cedriņs et al.,
“Your drive-bys are rather annoying, Bruno. If you have a beef with Valters, please explain. If you feel lukewarm toward Ezergailis, give a reason”

I have given my stand on Valters here on LOL before.  Dig it up.
I have given my ” reason”  on Ezergailis here on LOL before. Dig it up.
As to why Poland demanded that Valters be recalled.  Get a pole to dig it up for you.

Visu labu