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Dzimtā valoda - any chance of success?
 
Aleksejs
Posted: 03 November 2011 09:55 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 16 ]  
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It’s about the attitude. Not the numbers. No one else questioned the legitimacy of any other party in parliament. To be fair to them, though, Ushakov said they are not supporting the signature collection.

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peter B
Posted: 03 November 2011 10:05 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 17 ]  
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it is about attitude…...........and aptitude too.
if all of the Russians had the aptitude to
become citizens, they wouldn’t have to
complain now.
You know, Kravcov is going to russify the Evrosoyuz.
It’s his vission.
Good luck!

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Aleksejs
Posted: 03 November 2011 10:08 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 18 ]  
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If all Russians were citizens, Harmony might as well have gotten 51 seats in parliament :) And to sign the petition, you have to be a citizen, you know that I’m sure.

And Kravcov is a joke. I doubt he’ll make it. Unless Alfred Petrovich croaks.

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Andrejs
Posted: 03 November 2011 11:31 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 19 ]  
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Thanks for reminding me why I can’t really workup the energy to post any more, Pete. But for old times sake I’ll play along.

I often blow smoke and take great pleasure in it. Not a vice I am proud of, but if it was good enough for Mark Twain its good enough for me. You on the other hand must be inhaling that funny smoke. Too bad the subcommandante isn’t around to offer a civics lesson, but Latvia is a parliamentary democracy. In the last elections SC got 28.36% of votes cast. The next closest party was Zatlers’ which got 20.82% of the votes cast. Don’t blame me that the leading vote getter was SC. I didn’t vote for them. Also, don’t blame me that none of the other parties could get more votes than SC. I didn’t vote for them either. And yes, the leading vote getter for most rational human beings would make it a major part. In most parliamentary democracies that would make the leading vote getter if not the power broker in a parliamentary democracy then at least a member of the ruling coalition. These are basic and irrefutable facts to most rational human beings.
Note that nowhere in the above did I say that SC should or should not be the power broker. Nor did I say that SC should or should not be a member of the ruling coalition. Nor did I in any way shape or form say that SC should or should not be the leading vote getter.
My suggestion to you is that in the future if you are going to throw accusations around you first let the buzz wear off and before posting do like Clinton and don’t inhale.

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Peteris Kalnins
Posted: 03 November 2011 11:36 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 20 ]  
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ZZS was also categorically ruled out of the possible coalitions, even if they seem to be trying to slip in through the back door.

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Aleksejs
Posted: 03 November 2011 08:18 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 21 ]  
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PK, now Dombrovskis says that in case of ZRP emergency they will take in ZZS.

[ Edited: 03 November 2011 08:33 PM by Aleksejs]
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Peteris Kalnins
Posted: 04 November 2011 03:53 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 22 ]  
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That’s really depressing news.  As my earlier posts showed, I’d be very troubled by having a party led by an Urbanovičs in the government, but if the Latvian parties bumble things as badly as they seem to be doing, they would have no one to blame but themselves for the consequences. 

So what do you think Olšteins’ game is?  Earlier he was one of ZRP’s ‘keep-SC-out’ refuseniks, then his actions seemed to push the coalition in that very direction.  Is he acting in the interests of ZZS? Or is he just showing the classic Latvian social skills that can make this forum such a great place to hang out?

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Aleksejs
Posted: 04 November 2011 04:41 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 23 ]  
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Part of the ZRP core members were employees of the company called TM Security. This company during the first 6 months had been illegally occupying oil and oil products terminal owned by JSC Ventbunkers. For almost 6 months they were threatening workers of Ventbunkers with guns and dogs, and they did not allow the management of Ventbunkers even to enter the terminal. When they were finally kicked off the terminal (the security company lost its license), terminal was loading and storing almost 2 million tons of unaccounted cargo owned by Lukoil.

So, this is why I said Olsteins is a Lemby snitch. Lemby isn’t tied to one party. He likes to diversify his risks.

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Aleksejs
Posted: 07 November 2011 09:46 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 24 ]  
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Runa ir par cieņas trūkumu pret lielu sabiedrības daļu. Šajās vēlēšanās „Saskaņas centra” vēlētāji apliecināja maksimālu toleranci un gatavību kompromisiem, atbalstot ideju par trīs gadu moratoriju likumdošanas iniciatīvām, kuras skar vēsturiskus un nacionālus jautājumus. Uz šādu soli SC vēlētāji bija gatavi kopēja mērķa labad - mēs visi vēlamies dzīvot vienotā sabiedrībā, kurā cilvēki ciena cits citu, neatkarīgi no tautības un dzimtās valodas, kurā mēs visi kopā strādājam savas valsts labā un kuru krievvalodīgie latvijieši, gluži tāpat kā latvieši uzskata par savu Dzimteni.

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Pašlaik notiekošā parakstu vākšana tikai ļoti nosacīti ir saistīta ar krievu valodas statusu. Tā ir saistīta ar cieņu. Cilvēki, kuri tagad atnāk parakstīties „par” referenduma rīkošanu, parāda pašreizējiem valdošajiem politiķiem, ka viņiem ir apnikusi šī attieksme un ka viņi vēlas saglabāt savu pašcieņu.

—Nils Ušakovs, Nevis pret latviešu valodu, bet gan par savu pašcieņu

Ushakov wrote a piece for IR web site where he says the recent initiative to collect signatures for Russian to become the second official language is not against the Latvian language, but about self-respect. He says he has signed up the petition not because of the opposition to the Latvian language.

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peter B
Posted: 08 November 2011 04:05 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 25 ]  
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Bet Nil, vai tad pašcieņa 20 + 50 gadu laikā traucējusi apgūt latviešu valodu?! Vai kas cits???

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Aleksejs
Posted: 08 November 2011 05:25 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 26 ]  
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Er, pag, Petja. Nils tacu labi runa latviski.

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peter B
Posted: 08 November 2011 05:31 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 27 ]  
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bet vai vins runa pa savejiem, vai kadiem frichiem?

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Aleksejs
Posted: 08 November 2011 05:39 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 28 ]  
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Kur? Par pascienu? Ka jau es pats esmu teicis seit: si parakstu vaksana nav par krievu valodu ka otro valsts valodu. Ta ir par atteiskmi pret krievvalodigiem. Es domaju ka esmu lojalais Latvijas pilsonis, un man nepatik tada atteiksme no Latvijas valdosas elites prieks krievalodigiem Latvijas pilsoniem, t. s. tos kuri prot un runa latviski. Un komentari IR tikai apgalvo to pasu. Vins paskaidroja kapec vins parakstijas.

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peter B
Posted: 08 November 2011 08:27 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 29 ]  
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Neal is full of kibbles….................he’s doing it for koshkas.

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Elizabete
Posted: 08 November 2011 11:09 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 30 ]  
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Sveiki!

Aleks wrote, „Ka jau es pats esmu teicis seit: si parakstu vaksana nav par krievu valodu ka otro valsts valodu.”

Are you following what’s going on the FB thread that Loskutovs started about the subject?  (Just an aside, for those not on FB: Loskutovs has made it clear that he is *against* having Russian as a co-language with Latvian.)

While there isn’t any real possibility of a referendum succeeding, there most certainly are prominent ethnic Russians (e.g., Anna Stroja), who admit that though they once supported the idea of a single language policy for Latvia, they no longer do, and want Russian to have equal status.  Perhaps for some in Latvia this a ‘protest action,’ merely intending to express dissatisfaction over how ethnic Russian citizens perceive they’re being ‘treated.’  That, however, is not true for everyone, e.g., Stroja: „Esmu par reāli divvalodīgo Latviju ne tikai de facto, bet ari de iure.”

In light of the economic crisis, it’s hard not to think this is irresponsible in its timing, but so it goes.

Visu labu,

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