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Egits
Posted: 10 November 2010 12:52 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 16 ]  
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Valencija, on my link you can follow the road up the street to number 87a.  The link site allows you to traval up or down the street, left and right.  Just click in the blue spots in the roadway to travel.  You wil be able to look at the building from different angles.

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Posted: 10 November 2010 12:57 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 17 ]  
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Yes,I have already understood and done it.Very interesting to travel!Thanks.

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Talivaldis
Posted: 10 November 2010 03:20 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 18 ]  
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Valencija,

You got the right building, the corner one. The konditoreja was second or third one from the corner shop.
There are only 3 narrow shops. Cannot remember which door I went in for my shopping.

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Valencija
Posted: 11 November 2010 10:11 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 19 ]  
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Thank you Talivaldis.
I’ve just read some historical facts about the building in Matisa iela.It was built by architect Bernhard Bielenstein in 1913.
I’ve even found out a Magonu maizites recipe.Must be tasty.

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Posted: 12 November 2010 02:32 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 20 ]  
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Valencija ,

  I’m afraid, I am not able to tell you any more about your grandparents, however, it has made me exited about the places you mentioned. The first one in Matisa iela 86. It may have clarified one small wondering of mine, viz. every time I went with my aunt to the shop, after the purchase of the bread and my customary “magonu maizite”, she had a lengthy chat with some people. Well, long as I had my goody, it was OK with me waiting. Only now, after reading your grandfather being a Lithuanian and my aunt being a Lithuanian, seems only right to have a good talk about daily events.
  The second place in 115 Gertrudes iela is only as one of many tall buildings I past every day for about 1½ years until the end of ’43. My tech, college in Kurbada iela, was somewhere opposite 115 Gertrudes iela. That’s just about all I can tell you.

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Valencija
Posted: 12 November 2010 07:47 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 21 ]  
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Dear Talivaldis,
thanks a lot for your reminiscences of your childhood and most likely my grandfather.You almost made me cry!The world seems so small!Who might have imagined that some people from different countries and of different age out of a sudden ,by chance,might learn something important or interesting for themselves?!Just incredible.On the other hand,it looks like you’ve also got some Lithuanian blood in your veins if your aunt was Lithuanian.I guess that being Lithuanians they were only happy to have someone to talk to in their native language since his second wife was Latvian.
When a student ,I visited Riga quite often but I could never imagine that my grandfather might still have been living somewhere close to the places I went sightseeing.

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Posted: 20 November 2010 01:44 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 22 ]  
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Dear Valencija,

I think that some additional information from my bookshelf about K. Dvorianus may help in your research.

The Address book of Riga city for 1928 provides information about Kazimirs Dvorianas, locksmith, living at Pionieru str. 1, apt. 41.

The Latvia telephone directory for 1935 informs about Kazimirs Dvorianus (note the different spelling), entrepreneur of sewerage and water-supply (kanalizācijas un ūdensvadu uzņēmējs), Ģertrūdes 115; tel. – 31702.

Fully identical information was found also in the telephone directories for 1939 and 1940.
As you see, the telephone number coincides with the one you mentioned in one of the previous posts. It means that this information is about your grandfather and it allows to suppose that his main business was not bread baking. However the photographs you published clearly show that he was engaged in this business, without any doubt. Maybe he helped some of his family members in the bread baking when building of sewerage et al. systems was not active (say, in winter).

It seems also that his technical business was situated at the Gertrudes 115 until 1940, so you may revise the assertion that “Some time later my grandfather moved the konditereja to Gertrudes iela”.

The search in the newspapers of that time (until 1938) confirmed the existence of a bakery at Matīsa 86a (one should visit http://www.periodika.lv).  The official newspaper (Valdības Vēstnesis) informed that at June 21, 1934 the bakery at Matīsa 86a was inspected and some uncleanliness was discovered. Kārlis Kaņeps, who was the authorized person of the bakery owner Frīda Kaņeps, was fined by 25 Lats, or by 6 days of arrest (if he would not pay). It is not very likely that in the same house two bakeries existed, so I assume that in 1934 K.D. was not yet engaged in the bread baking business or the real owner of this bakery was a relative of the Dvorianus family. The owners of this bakery were changed also previously. (The same sources provide information that in 1929 it was owned by P.Striebiņš who died in 1931.)

Another possibility is that F.K. baked bread and supplied it to shops including K.D’s shop who sold it. It was said that F.K. was the owner of “maizes ceptuve”, and K.D. according your mails – the owner of “maiznīca”. The difference between these terms is not very strict but it allows to suppose such separation of tasks. If you are sure that in 1933 the Maiznica un konditoreja K.Dvorianus was active, than this seems to be the most reasonable explanation.

The search in these newspapers for the name Dvorianus fails. Only spelling Dvarionas return information mainly about Lithuanian conductor Balis Dvarionas. There was only a note that “Dominiks son of Dominiks Dvarionovičs (Dvarionas)” had died in Liepāja at Nov. 17th , 1931 and the legacy can be claimed.

In your post of November 6 you asked “One more hero of this story - a boy on the left. I wonder who he might be to my grandfather”. To say the truth, I do not know. I only wished to mention that this is not a boy, in fact this person is a girl. I see some likeness between her and the woman on the left, by the way.

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Valencija
Posted: 21 November 2010 12:03 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 23 ]  
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Dear Bruno,
on behalf of my family and me let me thank you for the interesting research and the great job you’ve done.You must have spent a lot of your time doing it.I can’t tell you how much I enjoy it!All day long I kept reading and rereading your letter trying to put all ends together.What a coincidence ,that just a week ago I came across your roots-saknes.lv and after reading it very carefully I unsuccessfully tried twice to subscribe to the news groups.What is more,today is the 85th anniversary of my late father and in a couple of days the 45th of his death.
What concerns the spelling of his surname I’ve already noticed that it differs in various documents.Having found him accidentally at http://www.ellisisland.org as Kazimiras Dwaronas,later I came across him in WWI Draft Registration cards spelt as Kazimeras Dvarionas.Latvia state archives have got him already as K.Dvorianis.Later it turned into Dvorianus though his original name is Dvarionas as well as my father’s and mine.Only mine has got a different typical ending showing that it’s a maiden name-a very special peculiarity of the Lithuanian language which I guess you might know.
Secondly,you might be right about his both occupations.I don’t know when exactly he moved to Gertrudes iela but the back of the photo (which I enclose) shows the year of 1933 (my grandfather and his elder daughter’s ,my aunt,first meeting after many years) and Matisa iela is already crossed out.
My mom says that actually the Dvarionas family (famous Lithuanian composers) are our distant relatives.
Speaking about that girl or boy in one of the photos ,I’d say he is a boy judging by the buttons on his coat.
I’d also would like to thank you for the links you provided.
Sincerely,
Valentina

 
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[ Edited: 21 November 2010 10:43 PM by Valencija]
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Posted: 22 November 2010 02:04 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 24 ]  
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Dear Valencija,

The text on the picture you published in the last mail seems to be very informative. I mean mainly the text over which your grandfather wrote “Getrudes”. This text is difficult to decipher, but to my understanding it sounds “bij. Stiebriņa”.

“bij.” means “former” and “Stiebriņa” stands for the previous owner. Actually the correct spelling of the previous owner is “Striebiņa” but anybody with good knowledge of Latvian will consider the name “Striebiņš” as a corrupted form of “Stiebriņš”. As I already wrote, the previous owner in fact was “Striebiņš”. This was a common practice to inform about previous owners of shops or similar institutions.

Now the information from the newspapers allows to restore a line of events. First of all the advertisements of the Striebiņš bakery (Matīsa 86a) tell that its telephone in 1928 was 91492, and the same is on the stamp on your photograph.

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Feb. 10, 1931. A fire occurs at Striebiņa bakery at 9.30. A wall burned. Firemen arrived and fixed the problem.

May 12, 1931. Pēteris Striebiņš dies.

Jan. 4, 1932. The official newspaper announces that the persons who have claims against inheritance of P.Striebiņš as heirs, creditors etc. should file the claims at Riga Civil court in 3 months.

April, 1933. K.Dvorianus writes an inscription on the photograph where he crosses the address of the bakery at Matīsa 86a.

June 21, 1934. Inspectors discover uncleaniness in F.Kaņeps bakery at Matīsa 86a. 

I suggest that K.Dvorianus bought Striebiņš’s bakery in summer 1932 when the term for claims expired. Of course, if the bakery was a common property, it was possible to sold/buy it in summer 1931. Rather soon he sold (or presented) the bakery to F.Kaņeps. I do not think that the bakery was moved to the Ģertrūdes 115, apt. 63.

I enjoy very much your reasoning about the buttoning of the girl’s coat, but nevertheless I can not agree that the person was a boy. Look at her headgear in different colours, scarf, shoes, stockings. A boy of this age did not wear shorts especially in winter time. Why she buttoned her coat incorrectly, I have no idea.

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Bruno Martuzāns
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Valencija
Posted: 23 November 2010 02:35 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 25 ]  
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Dear Bruno,

to begin with,you have so nicely and logically arranged all the information that I actually have nothing more to add except that I had also been trying to make out the name under ‘Gertrudes’ but failed.I really appreciate your research so much. I guess I’ve also missed my chance of tracing and claiming inheritance as a heir (just kidding).
Secondly,you must be right about the girl but still it remains a secret who she was.On the other hand,she’s got a pair of skates in her hands which also might add some explanation to her/his appearance.
Having learnt so much from you about my grandfather’s occupation and business I still have some very important questions to find out concerning his full birth date and birth place as well as his death date and his grave.As far as I know he was still alive in 40-50s.Maybe you or somebody else could direct me to   or provide any links available on this matter?

Sincerely,

Valentina

[ Edited: 24 November 2010 08:32 AM by Valencija]
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Valencija
Posted: 23 December 2010 01:35 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 26 ]  
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Dear Latvians on line,

appreciating your kind assistance,I’d like to congratulate you on this beautiful occasion of Christmas.May your holiday season be blessed with peace,love and joy!

Have a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!

Sincerely,
Valentina

[ Edited: 23 December 2010 01:45 PM by Valencija]
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Bruno the Lett
Posted: 23 December 2010 04:04 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 27 ]  
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Valencija et al,

A Merry Christmas to you too.

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Valencija
Posted: 16 February 2011 11:16 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 28 ]  
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Hello again,
as I’ve learnt quite a lot about my grandfather with the help of professionals since my last post here ,I’d like to share some information.
I have never thought that old home registers could be a fantastic source of information about the people you are looking for.This way I’ve found out my grandfather’s exact date and birth place,history of moving houses till 1944,addresses and even who they were visited by while living there.I’ve also learnt the fact that he went to Russia in 1915 together with the factory UNIONS.
Now I know the name of his second wife Ursula G-cs (maiden-Bremens ),her date and place of birth.Looks like she also was a Lithuanian since she was born there though her name sounds more German to me.They got married in 1931.
Ursula had two sons-Stanislavs and Janis,the boy with skates (I was right about the the buttons on his coat):))))!In 1920 he was 12.They are also in the photo of the shop -Stanislavs first on the left,Janis behind him!The first woman on the right is Stanislav’s wife.They had no children,but it looks like Janis could have them.Therefore now I’m going to look for them.
But the most interesting and precious present I was granted is a copy of his first Latvian passport.He was awarded it not in 1920 but in 1922.

[ Edited: 17 February 2011 11:25 AM by Valencija]
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Valencija
Posted: 16 February 2011 12:29 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 29 ]  
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Grandfather’s passport:


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Valencija
Posted: 13 March 2011 12:17 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 30 ]  
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One more piece of luck-received the date of grandfather’s death and waiting for the death certificate from Riga.He died on March 24 1955,his wife in 1952.Now I’ll be able to start searching for his grave in Riga’s cemeteries.

[ Edited: 15 March 2011 06:56 AM by Valencija]
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