Fakts ir tāds:  *argumentus* itin nekur neesmu IR vietnē atradusi.

Žēl, ka tā, jo varbūt citiem tie derētu.

E.

I don’t understand what your problem is Elizabete. Read the VVF interview. The answers are all there.

Sveiks, Aleks (or do you now go by Alekesejs?)

Since you specifically cited the VVF interview what can I say?  Words fail me.  (From http://www.ir.lv/2010/8/18/vvf-neglabs :)

„Es biju nācijas mamma, savus astoņus gadus nokalpoju.  /…./Ja nevar starpību saskatīt starp kandidātiem, tad es ar savām divām rokām arī viņus neizglābšu no posta.”

„I was the nation’s mother, I served my eight years. /..../If (someone) cannot differentiate between candidates, then I with my two hands cannot save him/her from disaster.”

That VVF took to heart the tapes illegally recorded from the journalist’s Jaunalksne’s telephone conversations, and as a result VVF now calls herself ‘nācijas mamma’ /the nation’s mother/ -  well,  I simply don’t know what to say. 

It was especially unpleasant that VVF couldn’t bring herself to answer with substance when asked about the fact that the 2006 election’s party campaign finance’s illegalities *still* have not been resolved.  Though an LV court of law found both parties guilty, neither TP nor LPP/LCC has abided by the LV’s court’s decision and paid its respective (substantial sum and) fines.  At least for me, this is HUGE.  Though I will vote in October, I completely understand why any other vote-eligible citizen would not, in light of the fact that it looks as though the court system in regard to parties simply doesn’t work.  In other words: this election is a sham.

To my mind, VVF ‘s value as a symbol would have greatly increased if she had thought that the above issue was worth fighting for.

Regardless of VVF, my questions remain unanswered by VVF or you:

„Fakts ir tāds:  *argumentus* itin nekur neesmu IR vietnē atradusi.”

T.i., Bet, kas man nav pieņemams ir tas, ka partiju programmas - tādas kādas tās ir - nemaz netiek izanalizētas pirms kāds iesaka, ka ‘Latvijas vēlētāji sen nav bijuši tik vienkāršas izvēles priekšā.’

Visu labu,

E.

Bet, kas man nav pieņemams ir tas, ka partiju programmas - tādas kādas tās ir - nemaz netiek izanalizētas pirms kāds iesaka, ka ‘Latvijas vēlētāji sen nav bijuši tik vienkāršas izvēles priekšā.’

Get off it. Your vote will take you East or West, and it really is that simple. I think anybody with half a brain realizes this.

/P

I think you’re missing what she meant and you’re missing the bigger context of what she was talking about. The context is not the journalist’s phone conversation, or the 2006 campaign finance illegalities. The context is this question: Vai jums nav interese aktīvāk iesaistīties šajā priekšvēlēšanu laikā un palīdzēt cilvēkiem izdarīt izvēli?  / “Do you not have an interest more actively be involved in this pre-election period and help people make their choice?”

The way I interpreted her answer was rather simple: voters must bear the responsibility for their choices and not wait for a vadonis, or tautas mamma to tell them for whom to vote.

Regardless of VVF, my question remains: what are you talking about? What arguments are you looking for? For what? To vote? It is unclear to me.

As to the analysis of the programs, I agree there’s a great lack of analytical writing. At the same time, on the bottom animalistic level, majority of the people will vote with their gut, not based on the election program. Everybody believes the election program of any party is a bit of a sham anyhow.

“Bet, kas man nav pieņemams ir tas, ka partiju programmas - tādas kādas tās ir - nemaz netiek izanalizētas pirms kāds iesaka, ka ‘Latvijas vēlētāji sen nav bijuši tik vienkāršas izvēles priekšā.’

Get off it. Your vote will take you East or West, and it really is that simple. I think anybody with half a brain realizes this.

/P “

Pēteri, this makes sense only to your brain.

To my mind you’re creating the same circumstances that made possible Vadonis’ rule.

When exactly will the ‘forces that be’ begin to engage the electorate? 

For what it’s worth, I think this might occur not only after my death, but long after yours as well. 

But, I’ll go down fighting.

E.

Just a quick note -

I’ve had no reason to believe that LOL was a forum worth noting.

I also have absolutely no reason to believe that more than a couple of participants here vote in Saeimas’ elections.

May those of us that do make our best choices.

Apparently, what I have to say concerns voters who might be concerned about what an elected party actually does during its mandated time.

Visu labu,

E.

We _are_ concerned what an elected party does during its mandated time. We just don’t think we need to analyze what a party promises to do if it gets to rule.

Having said all of that, I’m still not getting it. What are you looking for? „Fakts ir tāds:  *argumentus* itin nekur neesmu IR vietnē atradusi.” Argumentus par ko?

Aleks /Aleksej!

You and I have had a personal problem for one or two years (sorry:  I don’t concretely remember how long).  I’m not willing to take it public, since it doesn’t really seem to be about political issues.

Lai mums veicas,

E.

I’m not sure what our personal problem has to do with the simple request for clarity, Elizabete.

Sincerely,

Aleks

Aleks/Aleksej!

Mans jautajums bija nevis Tev, bet Pēterim un tas, viņa rakstīta kontekstā:

“Bet, kas man nav pieņemams ir tas, ka partiju programmas - tādas kādas tās ir - nemaz netiek izanalizētas pirms kāds iesaka, ka ‘Latvijas vēlētāji sen nav bijuši tik vienkāršas izvēles priekšā.’

Lūdzu, vai ir nevis lozungu, bet argumentu?”

Skaidrāk neprotu to pateikt.

E.

Elizabete:

Tavs jautajums bija uzdots publiskājā telpā. Ir e-pasts ja ir kas sakams privāti. Tāpēc es paprasīju Tev paskaidrot Tavu jautajumu (nav tik grūti). Par partijas programmam vispār nerunāšu. Nav vērts lasīt. Ir vērts izpētīt partijas darbus šajā Saeimas laikā.

Cieņā,

Alekss

In the context of this thread, I think it’s pretty clear. A perverse transplant who has nightmares about so-called populism urges people not to vote. I urge everybody to vote, and so do you, Līze. To me it is about the country in which I’ve been living for most of the last two decades spinning around to go back to what it came out of. I will cry foul, yes. I don’t want to get personal, and I don’t think Aleks did. But I think we get to live here or leave if in early October people elect ex-post-whatever Soviet scum. In that sense it is indeed a simple choice to me. The evidence is available to anybody. I recall you thinking the same back when Latvia had to decide whether to join the EU or not. But now it is much, much worse because the happy family showed itself to be what it is. Casting an empty ballot now is crazy, in my view.

Ar cieņu,
/P

THE-NOT-VOTER
25 Latvia’s Leaders Reveal Lack of Guts

Right on the heels of the 24th post of THE NOT-VOTER, which provided a link to President Valdis Zatlers statement to the media that he does not know who to vote for, there appeared in the magazine “ir” an interview with a former president of Latvia, Vaira-Viķe Freiberga, in which she stated that “I was the mother of the nation for eight years, I served for eight years. If the people trust me also today, I thank them for that, but my aim was that they should take responsibility for themselves.”

One may indeed agree with VVF that some of the electorate perceived her as some sort of “mother of the nation”. On the other hand, if she perceives herself to have been such, she identifies the hubris of the national leadership, which for twenty years has served the nation without showing any guts. Incidentally, I identify “guts” or gutsy leadership as leading by example. While VVF may have been the better looking talking head among the post-Soviet presidents of Latvia, she hardly led by example. Perhaps one cannot blame her for that, because her knowledge of the Latvian people was superficial and her tours to the countryside were ceremonial tours de force.

Now in the wake of these (G. Ulmanis, V. Viķe-Freiberga. V. Zatlers) muted (self-censoring) presidential wonders, comes Laila Pakalniņa and offers more lighter than air intellectual grub at “ir”, a magazine that serves as the mouthpiece of “Vienotība”, a grouping of right wing reactionary political parties.

To read more and see links, please click on the last link below ……

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Lighter than air, sure, Johnny boy. You come back to the Fatherland of your family’s millions to spew antiquated slavophiliac, russophilic crap in New Age garb. What a nice life you must have. Avanti, Fomenko!

/P