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Someone send William McIntosh, the D-Day Memorial’s president, a copy of “The Soviet Story”
 
ambersun
Posted: 04 February 2010 10:18 AM   [ Ignore ]  
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/alex-storozynski/us-honors-stalin-on-hallo_b_363141.html

February 4, 2010
Alex Storozynski

U.S. Honors Stalin on Hallowed Ground, Will Saddam Hussein Be Next?


After the collapse of the Soviet Union, Russians began taking down their statues of Josef Stalin, the mass murderer who killed millions of people. Astonishingly, in America, the National D-Day Memorial is honoring Stalin by placing his bust on a pedestal at its museum in Bedford, Virginia.

This misguided move will haunt millions of Ukrainians, Russians, Poles, Czechs, Hungarians, Jews, etc. whose families were massacred by this Soviet tyrant. Stalin’s killing machine slaughtered more people than Adolf Hitler and the Nazis did.

Hitler and Stalin were allies and started World War II in 1939 by both attacking Poland at the same time. But William McIntosh, the D-Day Memorial’s president says that because Stalin became a U.S. ally after Germany invaded Russia, he deserves to be acknowledged along with Winston Churchill and Franklin Delano Roosevelt.

McIntosh is wrong. Stalin only gave lip service to the allies so that they would attack Nazi Germany on the Western front. Stalin did not liberate Eastern Europe from the Nazis in 1945; he sent in Soviet troops that occupied half of Europe until the Berlin Wall fell in 1989. Stalin the communist barely hid his disdain for capitalist America during WWII, and once the war ended, he began the Cold War and ordered his scientists to work on missiles and nuclear weapons that could destroy the United States.

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Posted: 04 February 2010 11:01 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]  
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He must not have watched the Glenn Beck Show.

[ Edited: 04 February 2010 11:04 AM by Aleksejs]
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Aleksejs
Posted: 04 February 2010 11:13 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]  
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Oh, and one more thing -

After the collapse of the Soviet Union, Russians began taking down their statues of Josef Stalin, the mass murderer who killed millions of people

This is factually incorrect. The statues and other things, including the words of the national anthem than mentioned Stalin’s leadership, were taken down much earlier, after Stalin’s death, as a result of Khruschev’s speech... Heck, even his body was taken out of the mausoleum in Moscow. “Joseph Stalin’s embalmed body shared a spot next to Vladimir Lenin, from the time of his death in 1953 until October 31, 1961, when Stalin was removed as part of de-Stalinization and Khrushchev’s Thaw, and buried outside the walls of the Kremlin,” so says the Wikipedia

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Arija
Posted: 04 February 2010 12:09 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]  
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I live about an hour and half’s drive from Bedford, VA and last summer visited the WWII Memorial there. It is quite an awesome sight. Stalin’s bust would defile such a revered place. It’s true that he was America’s ally in defeating Nazi Germany but knowing what he did to his own people as well as those he enslaved should be enough reasons not to honor him there. If people feel he deserves recognition, let them put his bust somewhere else. The WWII Memorial at Bedford is no place for Stalin.

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Aleksejs
Posted: 04 February 2010 12:35 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]  
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I totally agree with you, Arija. That is why many people on this forum joined the Facebook group. Including yours truly.

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Posted: 04 February 2010 01:10 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]  
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http://www.dday.org/

for those who care…........and if you go, bring some eggs along.

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Irena
Posted: 04 February 2010 01:30 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]  
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I also agree with you Arija and I think most people here do, regardless of what they think of Glen Beck or The Soviet Story.

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ambersun
Posted: 04 February 2010 09:39 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]  
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Irena and Aleksej, Edvins Snore has appeared on far more TV shows than Glenn Beck.  Perhaps you may want to take a look: http://www.sovietstory.com/about-the-film/tv-reports/

I saw the Beck show, which I never watch otherwise, and found it surprisingly interesting and informative.  Edvins Snore was excellent.

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Peteris Cedrins
Posted: 05 February 2010 07:17 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 8 ]  
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That’s great, Ambersun! I for one am thrilled, and am waiting for details on how you reconcile your supposed Ann Arbor or whatever sympathies with Glenn Beck. A propaganda film is a propaganda film, loving mirific two-dimensionals; but in this case propagating yet more propaganda, of the worst kind. That someone as purportedly moral as you can take a shallow, rabid reaction so far is “interesting” and “informative” indeed.

Vysu lobu,
/P, off to teach at what Ivars called a “Russian finishing school”

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Peteris Cedrins
Posted: 05 February 2010 07:40 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 9 ]  
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P.S. Like Alyosha and other enemies of the people, I did join the Facebook group. What I won’t agree to is weird Latvian right-wing crap, much less low quality right-wing crap that promotes double standards and fosters total ignorance. This seems to be a Latvian specialty of late.

It’s especially perverse now, methinks. If someone could defend these stances a couple of years ago, it’s rather sick to do so when there’s a 22,8% unemployment rate and the main characteristic of the gorgeous nation is getting out of here as soon as possible, if possible. Which has nothing to do with Russkies or Stalin or Soviet hangovers at all. Just plain dirty reality and actual policy, in Latvian hands for two decades now.

The primary reaction seems to be this woefully abstract absurdist ballet. Between pathetic oversimplifications of history and demonization of the other, between blind faith and rabid Russophobia, falls the shadow.

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Posted: 05 February 2010 12:28 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 10 ]  
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You know who else bravely deployed the “even a blind squirrel gets a nut every once in a while” tactic while making a laughable attempt at arguing that someone might just call Glenn Beck “surprisingly interesting and informative” just this once ?

Hitler

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Posted: 05 February 2010 12:44 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 11 ]  
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Wahabist - 05 February 2010 12:28 PM

You know who else bravely deployed the “even a blind squirrel gets a nut every once in a while” tactic while making a laughable attempt at arguing that someone might just call Glenn Beck “surprisingly interesting and informative” just this once ?

Hitler

You mean something like this?


PS Is it really necessary to compare which monument is cleaner: the near-sidewalk Barklay de Tolly or in-the-wide-space Oskars Kalpaks?

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Posted: 05 February 2010 08:10 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 12 ]  
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Well Aleks, as you well know - Obama and AIG equals Lenin and the murder of the kulaks ! Spooky, isnt it ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TJjUBZ2plw

Is this another example of Ambersun’s agreement with Glenn Beck’s “surprisingly interesting and informative” point of view ? Will Obama begin ordering the murder of independent farmers soon ?

Ambersun, can you provide a baseline where one can differentiate between Glenn Beck the “former” substance abuser and your “surprisingly interesting and informative” Glenn Beck ?

Ambersun, do I need to partake in recreational pharmaceuticals to see Glenn’s and your light ?

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ambersun
Posted: 07 February 2010 05:38 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 13 ]  
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Now I am annoyed enough to take time away from my family emergency.  That means I’m really annoyed.  This is what I originally wrote to Irena and Aleksejs:

Edvins Snore has appeared on far more TV shows than Glenn Beck.  Perhaps you may want to take a look: http://www.sovietstory.com/about-the-film/tv-reports/
I saw the Beck show, which I never watch otherwise, and found it [the show] surprisingly interesting and informative [on the neglected linkage of Marx, Stalin, and Hitler and Marx’s green light for other “revolutionary holocaust{s}”].  Edvins Snore was excellent.

This new emphasis of mine hopefully should help the sloppy reader and vidiotic thinker.

Vidiot wrote, inter alia, his usual non-responsive, aggressive, ad-hominen gibbersish:“Is this another example of Ambersun’s agreement with Glenn Beck’s “surprisingly interesting and informative” point of view ? [Blah, blah, ambersun, blah, blah Glenn Beck]” Vidiot, your fixation on little Glenn Beck in the US prevents you from seeing the big world that Edvins Snore, but obviously not you, operates in.  Again: http://www.sovietstory.com/about-the-film/tv-reports/  “The Soviet Story” is on US PBS stations, for friggin sake! No comment on that Vidiot, Peteris, Aleksejs, etc.?  First Legionnaires, now Snore get tossed under the bus.  And the DVD is available in English with subtitles in 15 languages!  I don’t know what your problem is with Edvins Snore or “The Soviet Story” as a Lithuania who may value being as well-informed about this movie as the next Eritrean, Italian, or Lithuanian.  Send your comments to the Federation of Free Republican Lithuanians and see how much they enjoy your valuable insights. 

Peteris and Aleksejs, this is also a response to your manipulation of my comments on Beck and your odd obsession with Beck.  You don’t live in the right-leaning, Beck-watching US, and I doubt if either of you even saw the show. You also don’t seem to care about Snore on TV beyond Beck.  Your “vidiotic”-like fixation is on the wrong linkage.  If you can’t consider the many other news features and reviews from the rest of the world and waste time with only Glenn Beck—and can’t open your closed minds to why so many others find “The Soviet Story” an excellent documentary and honor it with prestigious awards—maybe you should consider that the movie was made for the likes of you.

Snore has done an invaluable service for die-hard Marxists and any others who view human beings as either biological or social engineering problems. When is the last time a documentary featured I daresay the neglected linkage of Marx and Stalin and Hitler?  Time to throw more light on the connectedness of power-seeking despots and seemingly undying illusions with Red and finally move on from extremist right/left “solutions” for humankind as originating with Marx. If one is still envisioning a world that can only come about by death, destruction, and Marx’s “revolutionary holocaust,” one owes it to himself to seek treatment for failure of imagination and testosterone poisoning at some summer camp in nature, studying cooperative matriarchal traditions under the tutelage of wise old women who never want to see another “revolutionary holocaust” or “war of liberation” liberating them from family and home and their very lives.  (Which reminds me, James Cameron needs to go to the African Bush and spend time with elephants.  Also, grow a tail.) The murderous leaders whose “romantic red”/“romantic brown” ends justify mass extermination- starvation-deportation-slaughter means should always and unequivocally be rejected.  Only an incorrigible male politico trapped in failed political theories would still be looking for some form of leader/savior at the top of the constantly-toppling patriarchal pyramid.  Who would still think one extremist wacko at the top is better than the other extremist wacko at the top?  Only a wacko true-believer wastes time with “if only” Trotsky.  Here’s basic failed Marxism for the vidiotic: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism 

Beck’s show brought some of the “true-believers” current and threw needed light on the extremist right/left alliance, which I’m sure he doesn’t really get.  It seems that particular Beck show with Snore— and also others interviewed, one who modernly called Marx a “self-hating Jew” for wanting to liquidate Jews for their contemptuous attachment to being, well - Jewish, sort of like all the other contemptibles of Marx, like Latvians, who didn’t want to get with the revolutionary peoples program and be merely the workers of Marx’s world—is just another show you’re competent to pan without needing to watch.  Tell me you don’t see the problem with so many still thinking it a badge of honor to claim they studied Trotsky, whoops, or having been a “red diaper baby” with parents in The Communist Party?  Some of my acquaintances still aren’t separated from the romance despite the reality.

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Posted: 07 February 2010 05:43 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 14 ]  
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(continued from above)
Plenty of political cherry-pickers don’t see the problem with cherry-picking Marx (and Trotsky) even if the Red Reality has always been little romance but lots of really red blood.  Unbelievably, just a day ago, corporate stock investment guru Jim Cramer saw no problem - or contradiction -  in praising Marx and Trotsky on his capitalist TV show that helps the capitalist wealthy in the capitalist belly-of-the-beast get even more wealthy.  How’s this?  Maybe Vidiot or notorious political cherry-picker Peteris can explain Cramer’s thinking.  What did Marx or Trotsky say?  Who knows?  People cite Marx for their purpose with no idea what he really wrote. That’s why Snore should be thanked for “The Soviet Story.”  And someone should have told Cramer to watch Beck. I didn’t hear Cramer mention Marx’s “revolutionary holocaust.”

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Posted: 07 February 2010 06:14 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 15 ]  
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Princess Misandry gnarled through clenched teeth:

Vidiot wrote, inter alia, his usual non-responsive, aggressive, ad-hominen gibbersish:“Is this another example of Ambersun’s agreement with Glenn Beck’s “surprisingly interesting and informative” point of view ? [Blah, blah, ambersun, blah, blah Glenn Beck]” Vidiot, your fixation on little Glenn Beck in the US prevents you from seeing the big world that Edvins Snore, but obviously not you, operates in.

Listen Princess…I’m not the one here who has to depend on off chance references by intellectually questionable Fox News commentators for justification. Beck ? Cramer, etc etc ? You watch way too much TV… In fact, I believe the shallowness of your POV and reliance upon misdirection and dishonest misattribution in your posts here would even make NewsCorp executives uncomfortable. Shopping a timeslot after Hannity Princess ?

I’m sure that Snore had dozens upon dozens of interview requests from the journalism elites of this planet and maybe others the way you’re prattling on.

But he chose to appear on Glenn Becks program as his most high profile appearance and you chose to highlight it.

And you referred to Glenn Becks program as “surprisingly interesting and informative”.

Your words Princess.

Maybe you should better manage your own ideological conflicts before clicking on the “Submit Post” button.

Now I am annoyed enough to take time away from my family emergency.

And seriously consider realigning your priorities.

Vidas

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