I wonder if the war in Gaza is going to endanger the United States and the rest of the Christian world.  Is there another 9-11 like attack coming?  From all appearances, there will be no shortage of potential suicidal terrorists.

As Robin might say: “Holy war, Batman.”  It has been here for quite some time already.  The semites inhabiting the Gaza, that quaint back alley just off of Arab Street, have been using that strip of Jihadistani real estate as a platform to fire thousands upon thousands of missiles into Israeli residential areas from the moment Israel withdrew.  Hamas and their enablers have done nothing but perpetuate violence in the region as a response to the IDF leaving them in peace.  Lately, their projectiles are traveling further into Israel, with greater accuracy, and have become markedly more lethal to the citizenry.  It seems that the only way to get those pesky Gaza semites to desist from firing those rockets is by, well, destroying the rockets.  Remove their ability to make war.  In all likelihood, if the Mullahrchy and their semite satellites were stripped naked and dropped into the Garden of Eden, with food and water aplenty and sans means of making weapons, they would no doubt resort to flinging feces.  At some point, enough is enough and then you simply just have to bomb the sh*t out of them.

My beloved hometown newspaper, The Sunday New York Times, foretells that America will continue its strong support for the region’s only democracy at this moment of truth:

When President-elect Barack Obama went to Israel in July — to the very town, in fact, whose repeated shelling culminated in this weekend’s new fighting in Gaza — he all but endorsed the punishing Israeli attacks now unfolding.

“If somebody was sending rockets into my house, where my two daughters sleep at night, I’m going to do everything in my power to stop that,” he told reporters in Sderot, a small city on the edge of Gaza that has been hit repeatedly by rocket fire. “And I would expect Israelis to do the same thing.”

If both Karl Rove and Henry Kissinger can give their nod of approval to the incoming National Security team, then it looks like America will be in capable hands.  After all, presumptive SecState nominee Hillary Rodham Clinton who (along with Sinbad) is an expert at dodging enemy sniper fire.

Old Europe will predictably cower meekly, lest they do anything perceived offensive to the fifth column of muzzies that have taken root in the formerly Christian continent.  For many Old Europeans, their final thoughts might be “Why are those beheadistas attacking us?  We’ve done nothing but appease them!”  However, His Holiness Benny XVI might be able to rally the faithful to this fight, as his predecessor had done to combat the wicked evil of communism a generation before.

In Africa, Christianity is booming.  In 1900 there were but 9 million Christians in the dark continent.  Nowadays there are in excess of 380 million of them.  And I am sure that Australia ought to be able to rustle up a few legions here and there.  So will Canada—the subjects of the soon-to-be King Charles might just be up for a fight.

/R

Some analyst claimed that Israel would attack Iran’s nuclear facilities before the inauguration if Obama was elected.I would submit that the Gaza attack is an invitation for Hamas to fire their best rockets at Israel.When Hamas sends the first Iranian provided rocket ,Iran’s nuclear facilities will be history.Possibly with a tactical nuke in order to avoid Iranian military response.

My nightmare is the possibility that the terrorists have bought several junked Russian submaines and loaded them full of explosives.  Right now they may be looking for suitable targets as a spectacular encore to 9-11..

“Why did the little moron take an armful of hay to bed with him?”
“To feed his nightmare!!!”

It took a while to sink in but finally I understand. Roberts is channeling Swift’s “A Modest Proposal.”  Hee, hee…. makes sense now.

Jan Smuts had a geat idea, but like his dream of segregated South Africa, this
also was not doable.
Balfour didn’t help much.
So, now Joschke is the Hauptstrumbantfeurer of
the Mid-Eastern konclager.
The solution belongs to arabs…..........................

There is one item that seems to slip the minds of those posting on this thread. There is very little difference of how Israel is treating the Arabs in occupied territory and how the Russians treated Latvians in occupied Latvia. Russians moved out Latvians and replaced them with Russians. Israel keeps expanding their “settlements” in occupied Arab territory at the expense of Arabs. If you do not condemn Israel then you cannot condemn Russia.
The Forest Brothers tried to keep the Russians at check and Hammas (not as graciously) try to keep Israel from imposing its rules on the Arabs.
They both are called terrorists by the other side and the side in charge of the reporting gets the better press. Israelis drop a bomb to kill one Hammas leader and kill 5 innocent children, we shrug and say “oops, they shouldn’t have been there” while one rocket falls on Israel, they respond and kill more innocent and we still stand by.
This murder by the numbers game will not succeed and we should be preparing for a response from the Arabs.

Please, folks, read Hamas Charter, then decide.

Some exerpts:

Article Six:
When the Faith wanes, there is no security
There is no this-worldliness for those who have no faith
Those who wish to live their life without religion
Have made annihilation the equivalent of life.

Article Seven: The Universality of Hamas
The time will not come until Muslims will fight the Jews (and kill them); until the Jews hide behind rocks and trees, which will cry: O Muslim! there is a Jew hiding behind me, come on and kill him! This will not apply to the Gharqad, which is a Jewish tree (cited by Bukhari and Muslim).

Article Eight: The Slogan of the Hamas
Allah is its goal, the Prophet its model, the Qur’an its Constitution, Jihad its path and death for the case of Allah its most sublime belief.

Even if we omit all the references to the “Nazi Jews”, etc, the Charter informs us world Jewry is responsible for all wars that ever were, specifying WWll, the French revolution, etc.  Jews, we are told, are behind communism, control world money, media, spy, lie, cheat and steal, as they are evil. 

Here’s a crucial bit for those who see negotiation as an answer:

Article Thirteen: Peaceful Solutions, [Peace] Initiatives and International Conferences
[Peace] initiatives, the so-called peaceful solutions, and the international conferences to resolve the Palestinian problem, are all contrary to the beliefs of the Islamic Resistance Movement.
READ THIS CHARTER AND WEEP: http://www.palestinecenter.org/cpap/documents/charter.html

Please, folks, read Hamas Charter, then decide.

Some exerpts:

Article Six:
When the Faith wanes, there is no security
There is no this-worldliness for those who have no faith
Those who wish to live their life without religion
Have made annihilation the equivalent of life.

Article Seven: The Universality of Hamas
The time will not come until Muslims will fight the Jews (and kill them); until the Jews hide behind rocks and trees, which will cry: O Muslim! there is a Jew hiding behind me, come on and kill him! This will not apply to the Gharqad, which is a Jewish tree (cited by Bukhari and Muslim).

Article Eight: The Slogan of the Hamas
Allah is its goal, the Prophet its model, the Qur’an its Constitution, Jihad its path and death for the case of Allah its most sublime belief.

Even if we omit all the references to the “Nazi Jews”, etc, the Charter informs us world Jewry is responsible for all wars that ever were, specifying WWll, the French revolution, etc.  Jews, we are told, are behind communism, control world money, media, spy, lie, cheat and steal, as they are evil. 

Here’s a crucial bit for those who see negotiation as an answer:

Article Thirteen: Peaceful Solutions, [Peace] Initiatives and International Conferences
[Peace] initiatives, the so-called peaceful solutions, and the international conferences to resolve the Palestinian problem, are all contrary to the beliefs of the Islamic Resistance Movement.
READ THIS CHARTER AND WEEP: http://www.palestinecenter.org/cpap/documents/charter.htmlhttp://www.palestinecenter.org/cpap/documents/charter.html

Sehr Geehrter Kurlander,

It is indeed fascinating, the way you compare the predicament of Arabs in Israel to the Soviet occupation of Latvia.  Arabs in Israel are free to become citizens and support any political party or movement they choose and to freely practice any religion they wish.  I am sure that LOL’s resident Israeli Citizen can give you an in-depth rundown on the many benefits of Israeli citizenship and the apparent ease in which it is obtainable.  He can probably do a much better job than I to give an accurate account of what life was like during the Soviet occupation of Latvia and what life is like in Israel.

Be that as it may, the Russians/Soviets withdrew from Latvia, as Israel withdrew from the Gaza.  The Semites of Gaza were left in peace to run their own patch of land on the shores of the Mediterranean Sea, as the Latvians were left in peace to run their swath of land by the shores of the Baltic Sea.  The people of Latvia formed (or more accurately reconstituted) their own means of government, started new political parties, invested in infrastructure, respected religious and ethnic diversity among the remaining population, and established peace and diplomatic relations with their neighbor/former occupier.  The same cannot be said of the Gaza Semites.

Your comparison of the meža brāļi to Hammas is a bit disconcerting.  Kurlander, you would have us believe that the meža brāļi went around and murdered civilians indiscriminately?  I demand to see some proof on that.  I have known quite a few of the meža brāļi, including the infamous Freds Launags.  None of them would deliberately harm an innocent civilian. In fact, they took great pains to avoid collateral damage.

You wrote:

courlander - 02 January 2009 09:31 AM

If you do not condemn Israel then you cannot condemn Russia.

I do not condemn Israel, nor do I condemn Russia, either.  President Yeltsin withdrew the military and recognized Latvia’s independence.  Russia’s armed forces have not attacked since.  Ivan rates not getting a condemnation on just that alone.

Both Latvians and Gazans can make claims that their neighbor still occupies some traditional/ancestral territories, however the Latvians did not engage in daily missile attacks against Abrene the moment Russian tanks crossed back over to their side of the frontier.  I do not believe it would take as many years or as many thousands of missiles and as many civilian casualties in order for Russia to strike back.

There is one great way for the Gaza Semites, and the Arabs in general, to bring about a peaceful resolution.  Stop firing rockets into civilian population centers.  It’s a solution so simple that a dyslexic imbecile could comprehend it.

The Gaza Semites really ought to get their act together, disarm Hammas, and give peace a chance.  A generation of peace and quiet coupled with a portion of prosperity might just do wonders for the disposition of those perplexed people.  Perhaps they may yet come to the following conclusion:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IaE3EaQte78&feature=related

Vēl cīņa nav galā,

/R

For once I agree with Courlander and his statement about Israel and its neighbors. Look at the thousands of illigal cluster bombs that Israel left in Lebanon two years ago.  Israel should go back to it’s 1967 boarders and Jerusalem should be an international city. Okupanti! Just like the Soviet Union.

I cant agree with Hauptman Kurlanders assessment at all. It’s ridiculously over simplified and most importantly - entirely self serving. Hauptman Kurlander isnt concerned with Gaza, Israel or the Palestinian issue in the least. He just wants to find reasons to wave his banner.

And it PAINS ME even more to agree with (gulp) Bobciks in that any comparison between the Balt nationalist partisan movements and militant groups such as Hamas is ludicrous.

Comparing the present Israeli/Gaza conflict with Russias war of convenience against Georgia from a few months ago ? Lots of interesting parallels there. Considering that Israel chose this period of time during the last days of Geedub the Impalers Presidency to give Gaza a royal smack down ? I doubt I’m alone in considering the timing.

There are no true innocents in the Israeli/Palestinian conflict - a conflict not based on religion. It’s a turf war that started badly and wont end well. I appreciate Alana’s posting of Hamas’ “charter” as counterpoint - but further radicalizing the issue and those involved wont accomplish much. Coloring Islam with a black crayon wont help anyone either.

Hamas is a (effed up) political organization. It’s not a country and its not Gaza. What Israel is declaring war against is a point of view - and the means in which it has chosen to wage this new war against thought is troubling.

Vidas

Interesting to see people try to draw parallels and those that, (rightly), shoot down the Israel/Gaza = Latvia/Soviet Union.

Israel has Arab parliament members, supports churchs, mosques, temples, etc, and has restored same.  Pre-‘67, Jordon destroyed synagogues and churches and I don’t see Hamas interested in ANYTHING but raising the “banner of Allah” everywhere. Hamas just gained legitimate political status bullying, buying and spreading hate propaganda.  If anything, I am not painting Islamofascim with a black crayon quite black enough. (Yes, I know you speak of Islam.  But I know how Hamas is funded internationally, backed for the moment essentially by Iran’s Ahmadinajad who has called for world-wide Jihad and he has gotten amazing response.  And let’s not forget the world view Israel declares war against has world-wide membership and it’s mandate is a) to destroy Israel b) obliterate world Jewry, either by decimation or denigration c) destroy all friends of Israel.)

The UN is a pitiful organization these days.  But just how pitiful?  Check out UN Watch.http://www.unwatch.org/site/c.bdKKISNqEmG/b.1277549/k.BF70/Home.htm

I keep posted to see how the international community responds, to what issues, when.  Lately, Ban Ki-Moon knee jerk condemns Israel’s military movement into Gaza.  Check out records on Darfur, Durban, human rights abuses ignored world-wide while a majority of the world’s emissaries again use Israel as the whipping boy.  Check out Shirin Ebadi walking out of conference attended by countries committing human rights abuses setting themselves up as grand moral leaders.

It’s simple:  Roberts, I agree with much you’ve said.  Now, the Islamofacists, like the Nazis, have tentacles everywhere that give hijack anything positive in Islam.  And they’re coming to a place near you if Israel, US, and possibly Australia and the UK don’t do a damn thing.  Sharia law world-wide?  Oh yeah, it’s almost here.

Two wrongs don’t make one right.  Human relations doesn’t follow simple algebra.

I guess some people have short memories or have selected remembrances. It was not that long ago that many of you readers and your parents left the “gated communities or DP camps” of Europe as soon as possible for other opportunities. If living in “camps” is such a thrill then why did we leave?.
  I read the article from the Palestine Center but went further and further reading came across “In June 2003, the Israeli Government began a massive construction project, not within the borders of Israel, but within the Palestinian territories its military occupies. The Israeli Government claims that it is constructing a “security fence” necessary for the protection of its people from attacks and suicide bombings emanating from the West Bank. Palestinians call the barrier an “apartheid wall” (“the Wall”) aimed at caging Palestinians into densely populated, Bantustan-like areas while Israel annexes more Palestinian territory for Israeli settlements. Palestinians argue that the Wall denies them the right to travel outside of their towns and villages, that it has resulted in the expropriation of their water resources and their agricultural land, and that it prevents them from accessing medical facilities and their cultural and spiritual centers. “
  I read the manifesto but further reading in Wikopedia I found out that:
  On 26 January 2004, senior Hamas official Abdel Aziz al-Rantissi offered a 10-year truce, or hudna, in return for a complete withdrawal by Israel from the territories captured in the Six Day War, and the establishment of a Palestinian state (it later repeated the same offer after winning the majority in the PLC, accepting the 2002 Arab Peace Initiative). Hamas leader Sheikh Ahmed Yassin stated that the group could accept a Palestinian state in the West Bank and Gaza Strip. Rantissi confirmed that Hamas had come to the conclusion that it was “difficult to liberate all our land at this stage, so we accept a phased liberation.”
  From the time of an attack on the Israeli southern town of Be’er Sheva in August 2004, in which 15 civilians were killed and 125 wounded, the truce was generally observed. Hamas violated it once, in August 2005, with an attack on the same bus station, wounding seven. Also in 2005, a group claiming to be aligned with Hamas were involved in several attacks on Israelis in the Hebron area of the West Bank, killing six.
  While Hamas had boycotted the January 2005 presidential election, in which Mahmoud Abbas was elected to replace Yasser Arafat, it did participate in the municipal elections held between January and May 2005, in which it took control of Beit Lahia and Rafah in the Gaza Strip and Qalqilyah in the West Bank. The January 2006 legislative elections marked another victory for Hamas, which gained the majority of seats in the first fair and democratic elections held in Palestine, defeating the ruling Fatah party. The “List of Change and Reform”, as Hamas presented itself, obtained 42.9% of the vote and 74 of the 132 seats.
  Hamas omitted its call for the destruction of Israel from its election manifesto, calling instead for “the establishment of an independent state whose capital is Jerusalem.”
  In terms of Gaza which is a “Gated Community”:
  Under the Oslo Accords the Philadelphi Route was to remain under Israeli control, to prevent the smuggling of materials (such as ammunition) and people across the border with Egypt. With Egypt agreeing to patrol its side of the border, it was hoped that the objective would be achieved. However, Israel maintained it’s control over the crossings in and out of Gaza. Even the Rafah crossing between Egypt and Gaza was monitored by the Israeli army through special surveillance cameras. Official documents like passports, I.D. cards, export and import papers and many others must be approved by the Israeli army.
Israel continues to assert control over activities that rely on transit through Israel, as well as air space over and sea access to ports in Gaza. Israel approves all immigration to and emigration from Gaza via Israel, as well as entry by foreigners via Israel, imports and exports via Israel, and collection and reimbursement of value-added tax in Israel.