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DisaW
Posted: 29 December 2008 07:07 AM   [ Ignore ]  
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I have a question I hope someone can answer for me.
I am trying to trace what port my family fled from during the war, knowing their last residence was in Riga, I was assuming it was from there. However, from accounts my mother had mentioned, running through fields in the night, I’m gathering it was from another port?
Would anyone know what port it may have been?

As well, would anyone know if there was one specific port in Poland refugees arrived at? My guess would be any land they could get to…?

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Ivars Graudins
Posted: 29 December 2008 08:36 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]  
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During WWII Latvians and others could leave the country from anywhere (in smaller boats) along the coastline and initially even by rail before those areas became occupied. Of the 240,000 that fled to the west some 125,000 made it to the other side – out of the clutches of the Soviets. The rest became casualties of the war or were repatriated by the Soviets to Latvia or directly to Siberia.

The three major ports used by those fleeing west were Riga, Ventspils and Liepaja. Riga was the first to be cut off as an escape route. Ventspils held out to the end of the war as part of the Courland Fortress, where some 500,000 refugees had gathered from other parts of Latvia including Riga, as the last stand against the Soviets. While several thousand managed to flee to Sweden and the islands most landed in Danzig (now Gdansk), Poland and than from here by land they headed towards the Allied front.

The Occupation Museum should have some detail on these Latvians that fled west.

Cheers, Ivars

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DisaW
Posted: 29 December 2008 11:49 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]  
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Thank you so very much Ivars for your knowledge.
If I may throw another question at you, assuming Riga was a main area of both forces, wouldn’t they have stayed in a safer area before fleeing?
(I do have somewhat of a time frame from ITS, I know they were in Seebarn in September 1945)
I know this is a difficult question, for there was no organization with evacuation.
The only other clue I have to go on is their ship had been hit and they were rescued by others (which doesn’t help me for I’m sure there were many ships hit.)

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Lauris
Posted: 29 December 2008 12:39 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]  
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Disa, do you know when your family left Latvia? If after the October 13, 1944 occupation of Rīga, it had to be a port in Kurzeme, most likely Liepāja. My family and I left Liepāja on November 17, 1944 and sailed to the port of Koenigsberg (now Kaliningrad, a Russian territory located between Lithuania and Poland.)

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DisaW
Posted: 29 December 2008 12:45 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]  
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Hello, Lauris!

Unfortunately I do not know the date they fled, the only information I have on a time frame is they were in Seebarn Sept. 1 1945.

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Ivars Graudins
Posted: 29 December 2008 02:14 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]  
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You may have noticed that today Riga has a vast infrastructure of historical buildings that have been preserved and are a major tourist attraction. The city was spared sizeable war damage, as the German high command did not choose to defend Riga but to set their front lines of defense in Courland (Kurzeme). There was no intracity house-to-house engagements or any major aerial bombing of the city by the Soviet and German forces.

The safe haven for Latvians fleeing the Soviet encroachment was in Courland and in fewer cases people stayed with relatives on farms and even headed for the forests.

WWII in Europe ended on May 8, 1945. After the war the whereabouts of your family was in Seebarn in September 1945 that happens to be in Austria. A major source for finding relatives and friends during 1945 was the International Red Cross.

Your best bet for information on who may have been on what boats is still the Occupation Museum.

Cheers, Ivars

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DisaW
Posted: 29 December 2008 02:42 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]  
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Ivars,

Seebarn in rural district Neunburg vorm Wald.

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Disa
Posted: 30 December 2008 05:05 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]  
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Was anyone else in Neunburg vorm Wald in 1945?

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courlander
Posted: 11 July 2009 06:08 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 8 ]  
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Everyone keeps mentioning cities but the most port of departure was at
file:///L:/Website Lacplesis/httpdocs/Baltic_evacuation_point.htm
as a dock on the Baltic sea it no longer exists except the memorial. It is between Liepaja and Ventspili and it was one of the busiest points of evacuation until the wars end. Boats day by day ran the Russian bombing patrols and delivered people to Sweden. The problem is that there is a list of ships ferrying people but there is no list of the people to Sweden.

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courlander
Posted: 11 July 2009 06:25 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 9 ]  
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I might have misspoken for if your father was in the Latvian Legion, your mother would have been given free passage to Germany from Liepaja. Many of those families ended up in the Sverin area of Germany. By coincidence part of the Latvian Legion surrendered there.
Is there any more information to give ?.

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DisaW
Posted: 12 July 2009 05:46 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 10 ]  
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Thank you Courlander for your information!
I need to make correction; it was my great grandfather whom was in the Latvian Legion, my grandfathers father.
(Trying to decifer letter in Latvian;) Sanders (Alexsanders) Prinkalns died in Smiltene 1916.
..........Now interestingly enough, we do not know his cause of death, whether it was due to inguries or various illness that plagued soldiers at that time.

I do know my family lived in Riga, so I assume they fled from there. My mother was a young child and recalled being on a boat, where my infant aunt succumb, I know from the story that it was a train station in Poland they went from boat.
I am so very curious of the Seebarn Von Wald on the ITS papers, no one appears to be familar with this DP camp or place of admission. From there they went to Wildflecken and Nernburg. Ending up in Baltimore, Maryland US.

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