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PIRMA IZPUSKOTA ZIEMAS SVETKU EGLITE PASAULE——RIGA 1510. gada
 
Indianapoles janis
Posted: 22 December 2008 11:03 AM   [ Ignore ]  
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After meny years of study and research, it has been established that the FIRST decorated christmas tree in the WHOLE WORLD has its roots in Riga, Latvija and it occurred in the year of 1510.
I am not going into any discussion—please read all the historical facts and explanation

http://www.firstchristmastree.com

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peter B
Posted: 22 December 2008 03:25 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]  
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The black hats were doing the Ashen faggot….............................

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Posted: 22 December 2008 08:48 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]  
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I am not aware what “The black hats were doing the Ashen faggot.” is but my interpretation is that as Latvians in any celebration got drunk and accidentally burned down the tree.

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Indianapoles janis
Posted: 22 December 2008 08:52 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]  
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But could it have been some kind pagan rite—-paganu parasa?

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Posted: 23 December 2008 01:31 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]  
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It seems that this tradition is very ancient.

I think,  there is a myth about «a world tree» in a basis of the history of a New Year’s tree - known also as «The Great Axis» or «The Big Hitching Post».

The sun runs the way over the sky and leaves for horizon.

The Sun’ Chariot ( Baltic Rati  - it is just ancient Indian Ratha ) is stoped, and horses adhere to «the big hitching post»in the night time.

Analogy is The May Pole ( Horst in German - this is relative to the word ‘horse’), or also Pole of Ligo.

This tree’ roots are in the underground (underwater) world, and its top - in the heavens.

Thus, it as though connects all three vertical worlds – high (the world of gods) – terrestrial (the world of people and animals) and underground (underwater) – the world of shades, spirits, mermaids and witches.

There are four horizontal worlds now - four parts of the world. (Four parties of a home).

Thus the Universe is described as 12 = 3x4.

But ancient Indoeuropeans knew only 2 horizontal worlds at first - the day and the night, the East and the West. Therefore, during an epoch of the early Iron Age there was three worlds - Eastern, Middle ( Vidzeme) and Western. And The Universal’ formula was 9=3x3.

Very interesting site on this theme about ancient Balts cosmology http://www.astro.lt/balts/index.html

P.S. Taking an opportunity, I wish all the kindest to everybody this Christmas !

Priecīgus Ziemassvētkus!

Juris

[ Edited: 23 December 2008 01:36 AM by AugustaDels]
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Posted: 23 December 2008 08:22 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]  
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I suppose it wasn’t the Ashen Faggot…........that’s what brits named it, much later.   
   
     
    by Tomm Larson
 
  Need an excuse for a Christmas party? How about a “traditional” excuse. If this year’s party is already planned, add this old tradition to it. Burning a Yule log is probably the oldest Christmas tradition there is. It started even before the first Christmas. Celebrating Yule means no work as long as the special log burns. It does require gathering family, friends and neighbors for songs and stories, dances and romances, feasts and fun.

At first, burning a Yule log was a celebration of the winter solstice. In Scandinavia, Yule ran from several weeks before the winter solstice to a couple weeks after. This was the darkest time of year, and the people celebrated because days would start getting longer after the solstice. There was quite a bit of ritual and ceremony tied to the Yule log, for it marked the sun’s rebirth from its southern reaches. The Yule log gets its name from the Scandinavian tradition, but the ritual burning of a special log during winter solstice took place as far west as Ireland, as far south as Greece, and as far north as Siberia.

In the fourth century AD When Pope Julius I decided to celebrate Christmas around the Winter Solstice, the Yule log tradition continued, but the fire came to represent the light of the Savior instead of the light of the Sun.

On or about Christmas eve, a big log was brought into a home or large hall. Songs were sung and stories told. Children danced. Offerings of food and wine and decorations were placed upon it. Personal faults, mistakes and bad choices were burned in the flame so everyone’s new year would start with a clean slate. The log was never allowed to burn completely, a bit was kept in the house to start next years log. The log brought good luck. Any pieces that were kept protected a house from fire, or lightning, or hail. Ashes of the log would be placed in wells to keep the water good. Ashes were also placed at the roots of fruit trees and vines to help them bear a good harvest.

The log also predicted bad luck. If the fire went out before the night was through, tragedy would strike the home in the coming year. If its flame cast someone’s shadow without a head, supposedly that person would die within the year.

The burning of the Yule log marked the beginning of Christmas celebrations. In Appalachia, as long as the log, or “backstick” burned you could celebrate. Often a very large “backstick” was chosen and soaked in a stream to ensure a nice long celebration. In the early nineteenth century, American slaves didn’t have to work as long as the Yule log burned, so they would choose the biggest, greenest log they could find. If they did have to work while it burned their master had to pay them for the work.

In England the log was supposed to burn for the twelve days of Christmas, from Christmas eve on December 24th to Epiphany on January 6th. Some English Yule logs were large enough that a team of horses were required to drag it to the castle or manor. Some English preferred a log from an ash tree. In the Slavic and other countries oak was the wood of choice. Almost everywhere, the fire was started with that bit of the last year’s log, to symbolize continuity and the eternal light of heaven.

In some parts of France, a special carol was sung when the log was brought into the home. The carol prayed for health and fertility of mothers, nanny-goats, ewes, and an abundant harvest. Of course the French were probably the first to eat their yule logs. They started out burning them like everyone else, but when big open fireplaces began to disappear in France, they moved the tradition to the table by making a cake roll that looked like a Yule log, called a “Buche de Noel”.

You have a choice. You can burn your yule log like the English. Or if you don’t have a fireplace, you can eat it like the French. If you don’t need anymore Christmas goodies around the house, you can light a special candle as they do in Denmark and Norway. Or you can use a decorated log as a center piece like the Italian “ceppo”. However you mark your Yuletide, the spirit of the tradition requires gathering family and friends for a warm and cheery celebration.

 
  Tomm can be reached via email at .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address). This article appears courtesy of The Merry Syndicate at http://www.mymerrychristmas.com with our best wishes for a warm and merry holiday season. All copyrights reserved.

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seskis
Posted: 30 November 2009 07:38 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]  
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There has been a report that in Estonia a decorated Christmas tree appeared some seventy years before the one in Riga.  Since the nature of that tree was not specified, we can make some educated guesses. 

In the Baltic area, rowan and juniper were considered magic trees:

Pīlādzītis, kadeģītis
Tie Dievam mīļi koki.
Pīlāgam, kadegam
Krustiņš ogas galiņā.

Since rowan is deciduous, the decorated tree in Estonia probably was a juniper.  Very likely, that tradition was also widespread in the Latvian part of Livonia.  Then the citizens of Riga decided that the fir was more graceful and less prickly than the juniper, and decorated a fir tree instead, recording that event in as newsworthy.

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Mikus E_
Posted: 30 November 2009 11:04 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]  
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While some may see Seskis’ recent post based upon an year “old” post thread, as being clever; isn’t this though more in the style of practical Latvians?

And as to Seskis again being overly clever (despite his claim to “some educated guesses”) while he gives the “perhaps” of an event of history that commonly should always be very hard to pin down?—-

I say again, this is only resultant of being practical.

Mikus E.

[ Edited: 01 December 2009 01:28 AM by Mikus E_]
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Peteris Cedrins
Posted: 01 December 2009 03:46 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 8 ]  
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As one of this forum’s resident heretics and a frequent party pooper, I feel compelled to point out that both the Latvian and Estonian “first Christmas tree” claims are false.

“Gustavs Strenga par pirmo Ziemassvētku egli”

Vysu lobu,
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Mikus E_
Posted: 01 December 2009 04:02 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 9 ]  
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I can see “heretic” PC dish-ing one country; but both?!

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Posted: 01 December 2009 09:44 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 10 ]  
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Er, a few notes. I have nothing against the way to promote Riga as the home of the Christmas tree. BUT:

1. It was the Blackheads House tradition. Both Blackheads Houses in Reval and Riga did it. In Riga, the monument commemorating the event is placed on the Ratlaukums because of that.

2. The first mention of the tree is in 1510, but it could be dated earlier to like 1485, if my memory serves. That means that the 500th anniversary they want to celebrate next year is just a hoax.

3. The evidence suggests that it was an Easter tree, burned at Easter, not at Christmas.

But the PR, the believers, the people whose victim mentality prevents them from knowing the truth can believe whatever they want.

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Posted: 01 December 2009 05:45 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 11 ]  
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Since only the Estonian and the Latvian “Blackheads” followed this Christmas tree tradition so early, it must have originated from the Baltic natives.

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Posted: 01 December 2009 10:51 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 12 ]  
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seskis - 01 December 2009 05:45 PM

Since only the Estonian and the Latvian “Blackheads” followed this Christmas tree tradition so early, it must have originated from the Baltic natives.

Since the Blackheads were the guild of unmarried Teutonic tradesmen, it must have originated from them, no?

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Posted: 05 December 2009 08:27 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 13 ]  
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They must have gotten the idea from somewhere.  Nothing comes from nothing!

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Posted: 06 December 2009 12:35 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 14 ]  
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If nothing comes from nothing and assuming it did come from the Baltic tribes, where did the Baltic tribes get it from?

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Posted: 07 December 2009 11:39 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 15 ]  
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seskis it al.,

“They must have gotten the idea from somewhere.  Nothing comes from nothing! “

The Crusaders returning from the (warm ) Holy Land likely introduced the idea of decorating fir trees in the middle of winter.

Visu labu,

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