You are one hateful shinamgook, Ikabod.............and please keep
the F word to yourself.

You morons must be kidding me. Islam is the worst blight upon the planet that ever existed. Worse than Stalin. Worse than Hitler. You silly children who try to give it some credability to this farce as having ANY credibility as a faith worthy of putting in the same sentence as Jesus, simply are deceived. If I haven’t been clear enough, and you still think Islam has any merit, even a tiny bit, you are an asshole of the first degree and totally deceived as was written in Revelations.

I didn’t know how Godless Latvians were, or more correctly, ignorant of who God was until I started reading these forums. You guys blow a lot steam out your ass that the rest of you think was “wow..”

Only Americans?  he, he

I believe the root of the problem is that Ossama bin Laden is Saudi and he was very insulted that the USA had military bases in Saudi Arabia and that the USA supports the Saudi government, which he tried to overthrow.

But then.. there have been multiple bombings and bombing attempts in europe as well, so I think the hate is starting to spread more evenly. I fear that if the US withdraws their troops from Iraq the hateful terrorist elements will regroup and will have more time in their hands to plan and execute more bombings in europe and the US.

But more fundamentally, I believe the source of the hate is that the US and american values are a threat to any Muslim totalitarian government and to the fundamentalist Muslim faith.

For example any Muslim girl in the United States is more likely to shed the burka or veil, choose her own husband, marry in a monogamous marriage, be able to divorce her husband, and put her husband in jail in case of wife beatings (sanctioned, and even regulated by Sharia). She is less likely to be killed by her relatives in ‘honor-killings’ and more likely to attend the University and start her own business. There are muslim societies that have come close to the American ideal (for example Iran, which had a highly educated and non-oppressed female population) but on the whole this is not the case. (the Anasi X-prize was funded by a millionaire, an Iranian woman that became the first commercial woman astronaut in Space. She made her fortune in the USA)

I read that in Europe (France for example) the muslim immigrants are really not integrated into society and mostly live in separate communities with little supervision from local law authorities, being mostly self regulated under Sharia law. There polygamous families are the norm (collecting welfare benefits) women rights abuse is rampant and behavior no conforming to muslims ideas is violently persecuted.

The situation in France is so bad that a women’s group has been created ("Ni putes ni soumises”, neither whore nor submissives) to help women that have fallen into abusive relationships (mostly muslim based)

Worse, there is a policy of ‘appeasement’ in Europe in general against Muslim demands, and that even more horrifyingly, it has been cast into law. For example take the case of Brigitte Bardot in France. Criminally charged and prosecuted SIX times for complaining about the increase of muslim immigrants in france and their general abuse of women. The whole concept of criminally charging someone for expressing their opinions as she did would never happen in the US due to the strong belief in freedom of speech. Notice also the extent of ‘appeasement’ in England where British Airways no longer paints the British flag in its airplanes, citizens are fined for displaying the english flag, the government is thinking about changing the flag and the church of England is debating of removing St. George as a patron Saint, all because the cross of Saint George some how ‘offends’ muslims.

That is INSANITY!, taking ‘appeacement’ too far and enboldening more muslim demands.

Worse of all, the EU has criminalized ‘racism and xenophobia’ under the European Arrest Warrant. How in the world can you criminalize thought? or the expression of opinions? (that would be anathema in the USA).

So, given the policies of appeacement towards muslims in Europe, and the “you’ve got to be kidding me!” attitude of americans, it is no wonder that given a choice, all hate from radical muslims would be concentrated towards the USA rather than an European country.

Its sad, but I believe it will ultimately lead to a backlash in the non-muslim population and civil unrest in Europe. And with guaranteed entry into latvia as immigrants.. some of this culture clashes and problems will affect latvia as well.

Viva Brigitte Bardot! the only one with, err.. strength of conviction, in France!!

The ultimate arbiter of everything is survival.  Europeans are in danger of extinction - they refuse to propagate themselves.  Just look at their birthrates - way below the replacement rate!  Islamic peoples are in no such danger.  Political correctness is not a key to survival.  Wailing about human rights will not prevent Muslims from taking over Europe anymore than the Roman legions could stop Christians from taking over the Roman Empire.  Moral laws are just as irresistible as physical laws. They only take effect more slowly, but violations have just as deadly consequences.

spectator et al.,

“The ultimate arbiter of everything is survival.  Europeans are in danger of extinction - they refuse to propagate themselves.  Just look at their birthrates - way below the replacement rate!  Islamic peoples are in no such danger.  “

What about the chinese?  Talking about “ Europeans” and “ Islamic ‘’people is not the same thing.

Visu labu,

The Jewish people have devised the best way of life for successin the contemporary world.  The Orthodox Jews, with male dominance and large families, insure the numerical continuation of the nation, while the modern Jews provide the wealth and knowledge necessary for prosperous survival.

A review of Islam through historical and philosophical discussions is intellectually satisfying and creates the usual warm and fuzzy feelings. However, it fails to answer the most basic issue. Since Mo hammed required his followers to deal with “ non believers “ in only three ways:

1. Convert
2.Tribute & humiliation
3.Kill

What is the basis for a “rational discussion” ?  Since the only excuse for not implementing the above three is the total lack of military or political power (based on Mohammed’s circumstances after a disastrous defeat),the discussion must be limited to the methods of implementation of the directives. It is not hate that drives them ,merely love of Allah , as described by Mo hammed.

To me, conversion requires convincing, and convincing implies dialog.  Consequently, conversation is possible.

Democracy is the formal icing on a preexisting cake of egalitarianism, economic opportunity, religious tolerance, and constant self-criticism. It cannot appear in the Muslim world until men and women demolish the medieval forces of tribalism, authoritarian traditionalism, and Islamic fundamentalism.

How do you prpose to change Moslem thinking?  The only two ways that I see is either by brute force or by dialog!  As Iraq shows, brute force is very expensive, and not very effective.

Back in the early 90’s Stephen Emerson stumbled upon an Islamic meeting in Oklahoma City. He entered the convention center and found a bazaar of vendors hawking all kinds of radical material.

There were books preaching Islamic “Jihad” (holy war), books calling for the extermination of Jews and Christians, even coloring books instructing children on subjects such as “How to kill the infidel”.
He then witnessed a long procession of speakers, including the head of the Hamas, taking turns preaching violence and urging the assembly to use jihad against the Jews and the West. At times spontaneous shouts of “kill the Jews” and “destroy the West” could be distinctly heard.

After witnessing this hate, Stephen Emerson has dedicated the last 10 years of his life documenting the presence of Islamic terrorism in the US. He shows how groups such as the Palestinian Islamic Jihad, the Hamas, Al-Qeda, the Hizbullah and other Islamic killers use the liberties and freedom that exist in the US to organize, fund, and recruit for their groups.

Although not all American Arab/Muslims are terrorists, a certain number is part of the above barbaric groups or supports them financially. Please read this book to recognize groups that support Islamic murderers when you see or hear about them.