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peter B
Posted: 01 March 2007 12:26 PM   [ Ignore ]  
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What do you think of this?

Thursday, March 1, 2007

Jesus’ tomb TV film sparks holy fray
Show casts doubt on biblical Resurrection

This limestone ossuary found more than 25 years ago in a 2,000 year-old tomb in Jerusalem may have held the remains of Mary Magdalene. (Associated Press )

Karen Matthews
Associated Press
February 27, 2007

NEW YORK – Filmmakers and researchers on Monday unveiled two ancient stone boxes they said may have once contained the remains of Jesus and Mary Magdalene, but several scholars derided the claims made in a new documentary as unfounded and contradictory to basic Christian beliefs.

“The Lost Tomb of Jesus,” produced by Oscar-winning director James Cameron and scheduled to air Sunday on the Discovery Channel, argues that 10 small caskets, called ossuaries, discovered in 1980 in a Jerusalem suburb may have held the bones of Jesus and his family.

One of the caskets bears the title, “Judah, son of Jesus,” hinting that Jesus may have had a son, according to the film. The claim that Jesus even had an ossuary contradicts the Christian belief that he was resurrected and ascended to heaven.

A panel of scholars that joined the filmmakers Monday at the New York Public Library addressed that criticism and others.

James Tabor, a professor of religious studies at the University of North Carolina at Charlotte, said that while literal interpreters of the Bible say Jesus’ physical body rose from the dead, “one might affirm resurrection in a more spiritual way in which the husk of the body is left behind.”

But Albert Mohler, president of the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, said Christianity “has always understood the physical resurrection of Christ to be at the very center of the faith.”

Cameron, who won an Academy Award for directing “Titanic,” said he was excited to be associated with the Jesus film, which was directed by Toronto filmmaker Simcha Jacobovici.

“We don’t have any physical record of Jesus’ existence,” he said. “So what this film … shows is for the first time tangible, physical, archaeological and in some cases forensic evidence.”

Jacobovici said that a name on one of the ossuaries – “Mariamene” – offers evidence that the tomb is that of Jesus and his family. In early Christian texts, “Mariamene” is the name of Mary Magdalene, he said.

The film’s claims have raised the ire of Christian leaders in the Holy Land.

Stephen Pfann, a biblical scholar at the University of the Holy Land in Jerusalem who was interviewed in the documentary, said the film’s hypothesis holds little weight.

“I don’t think that Christians are going to buy into this,” Pfann said. “But skeptics, in general, would like to see something that pokes holes into the story that so many people hold dear.”

Jacobovici said the ossuaries did not initially seem extraordinary because the names on them were all common.

But the filmmakers had statisticians calculate the likelihood that any other family in first-century Jerusalem would have had that cluster of names.

“The numbers range from 1 in 100 to 1 in 1,000 that there is some other family,” said Andrey Feuerverger, a professor of mathematics at the University of Toronto.

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Posted: 02 March 2007 03:21 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]  
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Let me understand this!  After an individual heals the sick,raises people from the dead,and preaches to multitudes, there must have been only one of such name in Israel. After all of the oral “tradition” which enveloped the land after the death of the individual ,including the familial names, one is positive that the “original” is found. The “code” demonstrated the stupidity of the masses, this “finding” raises the bar even higher.  Two thousand years later Mexico is full of Jesus names. Maybe He survived ?

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macitajs colvins
Posted: 13 March 2007 02:27 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]  
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If people would stop playing about, and just put their faith in Jesus, they would soon know the truth about Him in their heart.

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peter B
Posted: 13 March 2007 03:01 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]  
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Hey, mociitaj Colvin..............before i get back in here, is it Jeezes or Jesus?

Been winning any?

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macitajs colvins
Posted: 14 March 2007 10:09 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]  
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I reckon you know the answer to the first question and as to the second Yeah, but could win more!

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seskis
Posted: 18 March 2007 04:12 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]  
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In the first place, the name “Jesus” is the Greek equivalent of the Hebrew name “Joshua” , a rather popular name.  If the odds of coincidence are 1:1000, and there are 10,000 Joshuas around, then it is virtually certain that there will be some 10 “coincidences.”

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peter B
Posted: 19 March 2007 02:57 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]  
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It doesn’t matter what the name on the ossuary was, there
couldn’t be any DNA of Jesus to be found...........................

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seskis
Posted: 19 March 2007 04:09 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]  
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If He has any descendants, a DNA comparison is possible.  Even 30,000 year old DNA from Neanderthals has been found and characterized.

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peter B
Posted: 20 March 2007 08:56 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 8 ]  
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What if all of the DNA got destroyed?

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seskis
Posted: 24 March 2007 05:27 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 9 ]  
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Has anyone tried to find it?

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peter B
Posted: 25 March 2007 04:22 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 10 ]  
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Not around here.............

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Bruno the Lett
Posted: 04 April 2007 11:54 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 11 ]  
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This Holy Week is again a time for meditation about the mysterious events that are dear to all christians.  The question of the tomb is now one of them.  The talk is about a tomb, but the events described are similar to those that today could ,perhaps, better be associated with a mortuary and not a tomb.  Mary and Mary Magdalena are on their way with spices and fragrances to anoint the body when they discover that Jesus is missing.

The mystery of that what is not known is part of most, if not all, religions.

Happy Easter to all,

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Posted: 04 April 2007 04:14 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 12 ]  
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Perhaps it depends how religion is defined. As far as I know, Christianity is the only religion that holds dear to the mystery of Christ’s resurrection. But it is not my intention to diminish the value of your message.

Happy Easter!
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Posted: 06 April 2007 12:58 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 13 ]  
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A statistician was given all the family names in the Jeshua tomb, including one Mary (Miriam?) and one Mariamne, along with the two putative brothers.  The indication seemed to suggest that this was a family with 2 sons, and maybe a daughter.

The statistical significance was rated one in 60, quite high, but it seems the dna evidence does not substantiate anything.

The whole point of Easter does not have to be torn down, even if there is some puzzling archeological evidence.

On another point, I attended an Easter service several years ago where a woman minister pointed to the women’s role at the tomb, and wanted it known that women had much more eclesiastic participation in the early church.  It was even suggested that Mariamne (Mary Magdalene?) was preaching in as much dedication as was Jeshua, and that she had a following of her own…

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